Podcaster and MAGA world entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David interviewed self-avowed white nationalist Nick Fuentes on his PBD podcast on Tuesday. Bet-David had previously said he was open to having Fuentes on his popular show and gave the highly controversial far-right figure a full hour to explain, “Who Is Nick Fuentes?” — the title of the episode.
Bet-David introduced the interview with a bit of a disclaimer and promised his audience that they will like getting to know Fuentes. “I think conservatives are going to like it because you’re finally getting to know who this guy is. I actually think, it’s going to sound weird, I think Jews and Israel is going to like it. That’s kind of crazy,” he said, adding:
Yes, I actually believe that. But having said that, I hope you enjoy getting to know this individual that is both loved by gropers and hated by many. And if you’re like me, you’re in the middle 20% that just doesn’t have a clue who the guy is.
Bet-David went on to say that people telling him not to have Fuentes on is what made him inevitably want to do it.
Fuentes has long been a controversial figure, viewed by many as an unapologetic bigot for his explicit anti-Semitism, as well as his repeated calls for limiting the rights of women, minorities, and the LGBTQ community. His regular use of violent rhetoric has also caused alarm. “All I want is revenge against my enemies and a total Aryan victory,” Fuentes said, for example, in 2022.
Bet-David did push Fuentes a bit on some of his past white nationalist rhetoric. He asked, “Your opinion of me. I’m Middle Eastern, married to a white girl, okay? I’m from Iran.”
“Christian guy, mom’s a Christian, dad’s a Christian, mom was a communist, dad was an imperialist, went to Germany, refugee camp, came to the States. Do you think there should be more opportunities of guys like me to end up here, or do you think it’s better off for America, purely based on odds, to minimize more of me coming to America” Bet-David added. Fuentes answered that he is fine with immigration as long as those coming in are doing so on a small scale and are productive members of society.
Later in the interview, Bet-David asked Fuentes, “What do you think about between the two communities, Muslim and Jews, which one concerns you more?”
“Jews, for sure,” Fuentes shot back as Bet-David pressed, “Tell me why.”
“More powerful. They’re more powerful,” Fuentes replied.
“So, more powerful in a way, you’re talking the fact that they have money, finance, Hollywood, is that what you’re—” Bet-David asked as Fuentes agreed, later accusing them of dual loyalty, widely seen as an anti-Semitic trope:
I think they got it because they are extremely connected. They’re a transnational entity. You know, this is how the Rothschilds got started. Their superpower is that they live everywhere, and they have a—their Jewish identity supersedes their local identity.
In the interview, Bet-David had Fuentes walk through how he was deplatformed as a teenager for hate speech and eventually pulled up the clip Fuentes said led to him “being blacklisted from everything in the conservative movement.”
Bet-David eventually finds the clip, which Fuentes says he was unfairly condemned for.
In the video, which is being recorded without Fuentes’s knowledge, he is asked, “Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a Black man?”
Fuentes replied, “No. But they’re both, they would both be degenerate.”
Bet-David hit back at Fuentes’s characterization of the video, saying, “Well, that’s a little bit. That’s a little bit harsh. Could be seen as harsh, could be seen as disrespectful. If I was an African American, I would be very annoyed, upset, frustrated, angry with you, and somebody who could say that is racist. And the average person, and I’m just talking to you, I’m trying to be really hearing you out. I don’t have any gotcha stuff for you here. It’s gonna be a very easy interview as we’re going through. That’s kind of racist.”
Fuentes replied, “I agree, but let’s remember the context first of all.” He went on to make clear he didn’t know he was being recorded and that it was “a three a.m. conversation with 18-year-olds.”
Notably, Bet-David didn’t press Fuentes on whether or not he still had similar views of interracial marriages, like the one he mentioned he was in earlier in the interview. Some of Fuentes’s other more controversial statements, including Holocaust denial and saying “we need a dictatorship” to “force the people to believe what we believe,” were left unmentioned in the hour-long discussion of Fuentes’s past.
Watch the full interview above.
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